Since then, MoneyZen has served as the overarching umbrella for all of my financial wellbeing work and will continue as such as I enter this third act. And then the last piece, what is your need to take risk? Dimensional Fund Advisors is doing some wonderful work around women in wealth. And I remember thinking, Oh my God, this is how its going to end. And its really true, nobody thinks on their death bed that they wished they had worked more. And so that's the message that I would like to get out there. And so between my health and just the surreal environment of COVID, and then the real kicker for me were these deaths in my extended family that just came out of the blue and just really I hate the cliche, life is not a dress rehearsal, but thats honestly what I realized, how precious life is, and how the purpose of money is to align it with the things that bring you meaning and joy in life, not to just keep collecting more and more of it, but to align the way you spend your money and your time with what matters most to you in life. The Quiet Wisdom of Saving, by Manisha Thakor, moneyzen.com, Dec. 8, 2011. And we had a day and a half of workshops and brainstorming, and it was only women in the room. Tweets. And I said, telling them to invest in the stock of a company they know about. Dr. Emmett Miller Archives; Just Ask Spirit. But then I've noticed in the fitness industry, there's a similar kind of, self-worth equals body fat levels--the leaner you are, the more you're It can vary for different areas of interest. But most people don't have that. And I was proudly right there with my colleagues working these insane hours, 80 plus hours a week. So, people aren't in financially painful situations. At age 50, after 25 years working as an executive on both the institutional and retail sides of financial services, Manisha Thakor decided it was time for a shift in life focus. You'll reflect on your spending personality and values, and set concrete goals for resetting your spending habits. I had two eye-opening interactions with boards before joining Athena. And so just really realizing that, wow, one day you can go from being this vibrant, highly contributory person to someone who literally cannot keep their eyes open more than five hours a day. In my case, I did have the conversations early on, but then things really evolved and got really busy--you're doing well, your careers are going, and you can easily realize that you didn't reset expectations as circumstances changed. When you are your future lover won't likely be technically guilty of debt your obtain before tying the knot, it could be a collective barrier immediately after you happen to be partnered and you can attempting to do financial desires togethermit to help you significantly cutting your obligations prior to engaged and getting married. And theres so much we still dont know about the effects of stress, the effects of various different viruses layered on top of each other. These cookies will be stored in your browser only with your consent. And long story short, I didnt die. But I think talking about where you are in terms of savings, your attitude toward it, where you're doing it, how you're saving your 401(k), and how you chose your investment selections, or your 403(b). I feel like that was because my values had just gotten completely, they jumped the rails. And in reverse, you've got a tenured professor. And these are the agreements we make. And though richer than anyone else, he could not enjoy parties or even hug his daughter. Poor Midas was nowhere close to happiness. Do you think it's a healthy trend with staying power or more of a bull market phenomenon, given that investment balances are so high right now? I do want to emphasize that I think the underlying principles of it are great; the way it's just being manifested today, I think is at odds with the original intention of the concept. Ptak: What's your take on the FIRE movement? Manisha Thakor Founder of MoneyZen, women's financial literacy advocate, author, educator & keynote speaker. Athena Coach Sheryl Kline works with world-class athletes and some of the countrys, Since Athenas inception, weve supported thousands of women in times of transition , Your network is the most powerful tool in your career transition plan. And I'm going to take a break, see if you have any questions before I tell you whether or not I think it's working, and what needs to happen. The sales cycle for women is much slower. a) the number you are aiming for in terms of retirement savings. A client asks for help overcoming an eating disorder. And when I say that, I dont mean, oh, Id start to feel a little sleepy. Benz: Wanted to switch over to discuss young people and financial wellness. Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. b) installing an air purifier in the home, The Language of Composition: Reading, Writing, Rhetoric, Lawrence Scanlon, Renee H. Shea, Robin Dissin Aufses, Literature and Composition: Reading, Writing,Thinking, Carol Jago, Lawrence Scanlon, Renee H. Shea, Robin Dissin Aufses. So, they were getting really nice annual increases in their income, as in salaries, but their home price payment stayed the same. A Division of NBCUniversal. Ptak: How would you urge women to examine the financial dimensions of the decisions about whether to reduce hours or quit paid work altogether? When investing of course is incredibly important, but it has to be done in the context of your total financial life. Do you think we're finally ready to discuss and destigmatize the mental health challenges that many among us are dealing with? Finding the Right Advisor: Its Complicated, by Jim Pavia, cnbc.com, Jan. 15, 2015. If one partner in a relationship is financially healthy and the other is not, is there ever a successful resolution where the couple essentially adopts the good habits of the financially well person? You won't need that many hours when you're young, because you don't have that many problems. What sorts of issues should they emphasize? And if you bring in just one male, the whole tone will change. So like many people who enter into finance, I was really fixated on, and Im not particularly proud of this, but I was really fixated on how much I was earning and growing my net worth, and that whole set of activities basically resulted in quite literally my self worth being defined by my net worth. I'm not saying we don't think about it, with our advisor hats on, there's a disconnect between that dialogue and the end client, particularly if the end client is a woman. On My Own Two Feet: A Modern Girl's Guide to Personal Finance. Financial advice, would it be any different for me? Until next time, thanks for joining us. And, I'm all for financial independence, retire early. And, again, turbocharged by the rising salaries, in nominal terms, relative to the debt payments. Manisha is a chartered financial analyst and a certified financial planner. So financial health, plus emotional wealth, and human connection, and giving back to the collective community. If you liked the show, please leave us a review on iTunes or perhaps recommend us to someone you know that would like it. And even something as basic as do I know how to have fun? I think there's this misnomer that we really need to change. And the reason I don't think its working is it's still a very male-dominated industry. She works in. What are the key reasons that women tend to be less financially well than men? According to Geneen Roth, why do people struggle with the concept of "enough" as it relates to eating? And yet wouldnt, you know what, my health issue started creeping back up. If you are going to be an investor with a capital I, and I don't mean doing asset allocation or helping clients construct a portfolio from perhaps a short list if you're an RIA working under a larger umbrella with a communal investment-policy committee that you can rely on. So, it's an elaborate process, no matter which side, what's causing the mental anguish. And so, we are constantly bombarded by what I call funny mirror images. And what I'd like is for somebody to blast that. I was a solid student. And if you come together your debt is my debt and that's our decision. And then I hit my number and I just kept going. And, ironically, in the first half of my career when I was a CFA, I literally had no conception of all of the other elements that went into financial planning. She introduced me to Charles Brighton and then Jon Jones two industry visionaries and thus began my final chapter in the traditional W2 corporate world serving as a national thought leader around the issues of financial wellbeing. So it's an extra honor, given the tremendous work Morningstar does in the industry. Thakor: For the longest time, we've cited three reasons. Youre never going to get an F500 corporate board seat. Thakor: Well, Christine and Jeff it has been such an honor, and I feel like I grew up in the business with Morningstar in so many different capacities. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I was in and out of a hospital for a month and then on bed rest for three months. And in the case of bipolar, you often have to take two, three, four different types of medicines and think about it as a cocktail. And when I look back at that period, and I think what made me happy, I have this memory of on weekends in Houston and theres a coffee house I used to go called Brazil on Saturday mornings. I feel like having an understanding of where each other stand, at least in terms of net worth, in the beginning, in terms of do you have a bunch of debt or not, is a great place to start. Necessary cookies are absolutely essential for the website to function properly. One of our experienced agents will be happy to help you get pricing information and check availability for Manisha Thakor or any other celebrity of your choice. Hello and welcome to the true WELLth podcast. Thakor: I think it's oversimplified. You will read it cover to cover. And when I really came to terms with the fact that I had hit my vocational freedom numbers, and I was also hitting 50, and that I didnt have a lot to look back on in the past that werent memories in front of a computer at an office desk or in an airplane, its time to change this. This decade-plus chapter of my work life gave me a 360-view of the investment management and mutual fund industries; not only was I engaged in the investment side, but I was also involved in marketing, sales, distribution, operations, trading, legal, and compliance. And I think my early thoughts on all of this is that the answer is that we need, as a society, to shift it up and basically say, financial health is what we'd like everyone in America to have the basics of financial education and financial literacy. Alas, this individual came back to me and essentially said, Well this is pretty much a non-starter. Know 'Your Number' . What sort of questions should they be asking themselves? So, the question is, is there a way to make the save more and live within your means message sexy? The true WELLth podcast is made possible by Brighton Jones. And what we think our best money move has been. People shy away from reaching out to people they see as experts, but most people want to help. And on top of that, I had a mental illness that I was unaware of that was taking the natural propensity to work a lot, that you had just from being in the environment of institutional financial services, and leveraging that up to an unbelievable level in my manic periods, which would go on for quite some time, I would just be working literally around the clock, which ultimately caught up with me physically. Vocational freedom is a technical term we use at Brighton Jones to define the point at which individuals are able to pursue whatever type of work paid or unpaid, simply because they want to, that their financial needs have been appropriately covered for the future. And it felt like Id almost gotten stuck into a cult where all that mattered was making more money. Dont worry, true WELLth will still continue in its normal capacity, bringing in wellbeing experts that give you fresh perspective on aligning your time and money with your passions and purpose. Then, explain how the character you created is similar to or different from Chaucer's character. And out cold. And they lived in that house for a good 30 years. And on the other hand, I do feel an awful lot of guilt because Im not sure what meaningful value I provided in my pre Brighton Jones years. How we use your information depends on the product and service that you use and your relationship with us. Verify your identity, personalize the content you receive, or create and administer your account. When I've looked at the data on how women invest relative to men, it appears that once you control for incomes, women do invest pretty similarly to men in terms of their investment allocations, how willing they are to invest in stocks and so forth. Explore your richer life at brightonjones.com. It's just stylistically. Got a confidential news tip? I hated it. The White House Report on Women: 3 Surprising Insights, by Manisha Thakor, moneyzen.com, March 8, 2011. And, we're all on computers all day, which means they're getting mani-pedi a couple times a week. Opinions expressed are as of the date of recording. A lot of people talk about how hard charging, very driven folks, oftentimes have a lot of difficulty in retirement, that their ego is so tied up with their professional identity. And then when there's not an immediate increase in assets under management as a result of these programs by the next year, the budget is cut in half or more. And for many people that stays in them for quite some time. Had I not had my body so damaged by all of the years of undiagnosed bipolar II expressing its mania as workaholism, I might not have had the courage to do this because back then my ego was tied to who I was at work. Today, buying and selling a home costs roughly 10% by the time you factor in all the different expenses. Find Your Sparkle & Create a Life You Love. And then the final overlay I would have, that I would point out, is that I have observed qualitatively--I've not seen any quantitative data on this--that women are much more interested in cash flow, which is incredibly logical. The question is, how much is enough from a standpoint of happiness? Particular red flags, considering Greutman: you simply can't agree on the shape and you can precise location of the home we need to . Functional cookies help to perform certain functionalities like sharing the content of the website on social media platforms, collect feedbacks, and other third-party features. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. You are learning about fitness and nutrition at school, and your friends want to know more. And when I shifted sides, I just felt embarrassed and horrified by my lack of broader understanding of how many more issues. All my memories were around work. Choose from the following: encroach, obliterate, coquettish, edict, dank, pallid, temerity, diffident, divulge, circumvent, thwart, virulent, tedious, profoundly, obscure. And so finally I had to take a medical leave and the firm could not have been more supportive. Manisha is founder of MoneyZen, a financial education consultancy. For years, I was diagnosed as having major depressive disorder. I saw a stat today--have not fact-checked it--but that a child today, born today has a 50-50 chance of living to 125. She finally landed on Portland, Oregon. You will read it cover to cover. And thats why a lot of these platitudes have stuck around for so long because at the core, they are true. I don't mean this in kind of a pink it and shrink it, or demeaning way, I've done it. Thakor: Frequently. And so Im excited to truly be able to do volunteer work in a really meaningful way. And for many of us, that's a financial equation. Whereas on the individual side, it is this CFP oftentimes who is acting, in a sense, like the institutional consultant or the CFO of a client's life. Thakor also is founder of MoneyZen LLC, a boutique financial education consultancy providing keynote speaking and financial literacy workshops to organizations focused on financially empowering women and families. At business school we talk about like, Whats your number? And your number and Brighton Jones speak is your BFA. Benz: Wanted to spend a little bit of time on financial planning for couples. When I was at, I'll just say at a large multibillion-dollar unnamed wealth RIA, I was asked to lead up a women-in-wealth initiative, and I was actually really surprised--the younger generation was actually kind of punching with me. So, I worry very much from that standpoint, that was an issue that's pre-pandemic, that's always been an issue, particularly with women taking time out in peak earning years to have children. And even once you do seek help, it's not an immediate solution. And if they do focus on that, there's the old saying, If you want to get more work done, give it to the busiest person you know. And women are masters, has been my observation--particularly mothers--at juggling a lot of balls and getting a lot of things done really well. And I think for me, had I not experienced two sets of illnesses, the dengue fever and the acute Epstein-BARR. After this she moved to the retail side and ran MoneyZen Wealth Management, her own independent registered investment advisory firm. Naomi Osaka made headlines recently when she withdrew from the French Open. We also sell both admissions and sponsorship packages for our investment conferences and advertising on our websites and newsletters. Men, that tends not to be quite so much the case and the problem is compounded. Prior to founding MoneyZen, Manisha was vice president of financial well-being at Brighton Jones. That show takes place in a town that is exceptionally humid. And so, understanding where buying a house fits into that picture, because it's very different than the picture their parents faced when they were their age. And so, by focusing on these--we can call them risky, esoteric, some people may say cutting edge. And I was so obsessed with hitting my number and that was who I was. Welcome to 7 Steps to Financial Wellness with Manisha Thakor, MBA, CFA, CFP. And a big part of the reason for that is they took out 30-year mortgages in a time period where that payment was steady, home equity lines of credit and HELOCs were a very rare entity. That habit and curiosity are superpowers to move your career forward. Instructions But when that motivation comes solely from a place of money or collecting some benefit simply for yourself, I think that created with the energy of physically whats happening to your body when youre stressed and youre constantly taxing your adrenal system, can be very dangerous. Gaining Clarity on Your Leadership Plan & Reaching Your Olympic Gold: Tips from Athena Coach Sheryl Kline, Our favorite resources for executives making a career change, Gaining exposure for your career transition, Developing Your Personal Brand as an Executive. A 25-year veteran of the financial services industry, she earned her MBA from Harvard Business School and her BA from Wellesley College. When I was in college in late-80s, early 90s, the magazines were very reticent to say that they airbrushed photos. Authors : Thakor, Manisha, Kedar, Sharon. But the biggest reason I'm starting to realize as we go further, is women, we don't invest in ourselves in terms of our knowledge about investing. As part of her MoneyZen series, women & money financial expert Manisha Thakor gives 3 simple tips to help you improve your credit score this holiday season and into the new year. And it was rereleased and updated in 2018, and I had a chance to interview Vicki and it was really interesting talking to her. So, you're basically doing the financial equivalent again, in my opinion of eating Pop-Tarts and Twinkies, and no one's talking to you about nutrient-dense fruits, vegetables, high-quality fish and meat, and so on. Every time I bring up just the two words, financial shame, people almost light up, like Who yeah, yeah, I got that! And I think it's endemic. And so that's what I feel like there's still a need. And thus, when we spend our money, we are spending our time, and the purpose of thinking about your money or your life is making sure that you are optimizing your life's energy when you spend your money. To position myself to move to the next level in investment management, I earned my MBA from Harvard Business School graduating in 1997. Meet Manisha Thakor, a financial services executive whose Athena membership catapulted her board journey. And I know everything that Im saying sounds so I feel like I sound like a gigantic cliche. So you can start with, what was the best piece of financial advice you've ever received; you can start with these positive conversations, then move into some of the tougher ones that I spoke about. And my parents are now in their 80s and I want to be there for them just as theyve always been there for me. Assuming a 20% down payment, a 30-year fixed rate mortgage, and interests rates in the 5%-6% rate, the 3x your income rule of thumb will translate into total housing costs of roughly 30% of your gross income. Financial Wellness in Younger Generations and Couples. Maintaining independence and editorial freedom is essential to our mission of empowering investor success. On My Own Two Feet: A Modern Girls Guide to Personal Finance, by Manisha Thakor and Sharon Kedar. Do you think there will be lasting effects from this? And what I have found personally, when it comes to these programs, is they are very poorly funded, and there is no acknowledgement that the sales cycle for women, and I hate to use that term, but in the industry, for advisors, let's be blunt, that's what it is--it's a sales cycle. By clicking Accept All, you consent to the use of ALL the cookies. Manisha Thakor (MBA, CFA, CFP) is the founder of the financial wellbeing consultancy, MoneyZen. 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